@balloonfu-sen Appreicate it 👍

@balloonfu-sen Oh sorry you are right! The pod you're on is managed by @kat I believe!

@balloonfu-sen Not difficult, I'm just the target of much spam and bots 😢

@balloonfu-sen I think you need to update your yarnd instance 🙏

it just has no syntax highlighting or any other fancy features (well ed does, but not vi).

@bender There already is one haha 🤣 I already wrote ed and vi in Go 🤣

@movq LOL

@movq CEF turns out to be pretty easy. I had to write a bit of C and Go to bridge, but once that got going I was able to write it into my pure Go go-wayland wlui library for final rendering. The delegating the entire CEF part was a good idea though because it keeps all the complexity in a container Image, leaving me with just the Go + C stubs/interface and SHM/IPC parts.

@balloonfu-sen Yeah, it also requires you to fill our a form with some sensiable inputs. There are other measures I've put in place to thwart/discourage bots/spammers too.

@balloonfu-sen The reason for my locking down my own instance here was purely because of spam and bots 😢

@balloonfu-sen Yeah No worries an welxome! Glad you didn't find standing up your own stance too hard!

@balloonfu-sen Nice! 👍

@bender LOL 😂

@itsericwoodward I don't 🤣

@lyse Does that mean they paid you 3x what it's worth and you get teh product for free plus a bonus payout? 🤔 😅

@movq Here you go 🤣 https://git.mills.io/prologic/gonix/src/branch/main/cmd/imgview/main.go

@movq I looked into swagimg. That's the thing, The latest version pulls in fark'n C++ (geez fuck) and luajit. Anything else I've round for Wayland depdns on Rust (wtf?!) -- So I built my own in Pure Go. It's wonderful, so simple, only ~170 lines of Go 🤣

QEMU Screenshot:

@movq static sites are the best really 😅

@itsericwoodward Apologies not necessary 😅

@movq

What’s your motivation for running this, btw? 🤔

Basically, two things a) feeling generous for folks that either can't afford or find it hard to have a little place to call home (webpage, feed, whatever) and b) a real opportunity to test some of the components that make it possible sshbox, which I know works well as it fronts my Gitea instance's Git+SSH service and box, a container runtime I wrote a while ago, recently improved, hardened and polished.

@movq Gotta make the economy go "around" and keep public services in play 😅 Good luck! 🤞

@itsericwoodward Why hear? I'll just put it up at https://twtxt.app now shall I? It's good enough IMO that it's already working quite well. The challenging parts now is to figure out a good set of default publishing connectors to support? 🤔

@itsericwoodward Yes really 🤣

@movq Just working on swag 😅 And..... Building an Offline-first Yarn/twtxt client that has no server requirements (_other than you need to publish your feed somewhere...)

@apptester Cool! 😎 My Offline-first Go/WASM + HTMX powered Yarn / Twtxt client is working 👌

@movq So Anubis does a whole lot more than I really wanted and it's configuration is a lot more complicated. In my setup I basicaly just do this:

@lyse That video appears to be unavailable to me :/

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Yup I see it!

2026-06-07T13:52:37-04:00

@movq Very nice 👍

@itsericwoodward Oh don't get my wrong, I totally empathize, but yeah 👍

@itsericwoodward Yes, but is how we want to be behaving. We don't like something so we go out of our way to be malicious and poison things? I get it though, the hypocrisy is very real here, with burning trees, eating up water supplies, and the massive amounts of energy going into this, but still, this is petulant behaviour and I don't think it services any useful purpose other than rage and anger.

@itsericwoodward I'm not sure this is very productive to be honest 🧐

@lyse Those are stunning 😎 I'd leave the windows dirty too — clearly the birds approve of the current state of affairs 🤣

@itsericwoodward That DORA quote is 🤯 — and it perfectly explains why AI coding tools terrify me in certain contexts. Dropping Copilot into a codebase full of technical debt isn't gonna fix the debt, it's just gonna write more of it faster 🤣 Fred Brooks would be nodding his head right now 🙏

@movq Honestly I think you build the team before you need the PRs 🤔 Start with relationships — people who've been using your software, filing good bug reports, asking smart questions. Those are your future maintainers. The PR comes later as a formality, not a tryout 😅

@movq One at a time, until you build up trust, coherence to make them a maintainer 😅

@movq I think I've been more-or-less maintaining my OSS projects this way for years hmmm 🤔

@bender LOL 😂

Same here, but my own fault

Nobody ever does 🤣

Go get 'em! 🙌

Nice work! Threading + mentions is where it gets fun 😅 Ping me if anything in the spec is unclear 👌

That reminds me, I need to update yarnd too. I haven't done so yet 😅 Been so bloody busy with work 🥵

@bender Yes, but I consider this to be a flaw in the human species. Think about it, what good does it serve? What possible reason do we have to have such traits today? Survival of the fitness? pffft 😅

@rrraksamam No 🤣 I think it's a human weakness, someone born in the genes of some 🤔

@movq TLs is cheap, we built hardware encryption modules for AES-256 which TLS still uses so you're fine 😅

@bender upvoted too 👌

@itsericwoodward Excited to see twtxt tooling in the Node ecosystem! Any plans to implement the Twtxt v2 extensions? Things like Twt Hash + Subject (proper threading), Multiline, etc. — all documented at https://twtxt.dev 👀

@itsericwoodward All good here 👌

On the subject of debugging these so-called AI(s) / Black Boxes... the model is a black box sure, but that's not really the problem. Everything around it — the inputs, the outputs, the decisions it makes — all of that can and should be fully logged, traced and replayed. The "program" isn't the model, it's the full context you feed it. That's what you debug. It's not so different from any other system really; if you're running something in production with no logs, no structured outputs and no tests, you'd have the same problem. The model doesn't change that discipline, it just makes it more important.

@bender LOL 😂

@movq $95 🤣 So I'm down a fair bit 😳

@movq I guess I'm not so lucky haha 🤣 Only won $32 AUD 😅

@movq Hah 😅

@movq Hah 😅 One thing I've learned in my life (as I've had many good manegers over the years teach me as much) is:

Strong opinions, held loosely.

I have my opinions too, but I also see positives and benefits and I am optimistic that we will collectively figure out a path forward.

Bought 2 tickets 🎫 Wish me luck! 🍀

@movq Amen 🙏

@movq All good, I'm tired too. Work has been burning me out lately 🥵

@movq Yes 👍

LIke with almost everything "big-tech" has done, it's not the tech you should not trust, but the companies themselves. For example, accessing and using the models (because let's face it, they have clusters of much larger and more powerful GPU clusters than we could ever afford to build and own ourselves, at least for now) is fine, but trusting their end-user products/services, not so much.

It's one of the reasons in fact I've been working on bob so I have a very concrete and strong foundation for how these things work, how they behave and how bad or good they can be. I am on-purpose building bob to be not only a decent coding tool and general task completion tool, but with serious security boundaries, sanitation, auditing and compliance. If I'm going to succeed at building autoonmous agents that can cope with a wider array of varying inputs (mostly natural language, some structural language) then it needs to be both a) Safe and b) Robust

@movq I'm kind of flag you bring thi sup, because you simply can't. You wouldn't even be able to in an atypical neural network either (which is what ehse things are anyway). The problem here really isn't the so-called "AI" (I wish we'd stop calling it AI), but the flawed usage(s) thereof. I believe I even stated earlier in this thread that sometimes it may not do what you expect, it's "probabilistic" not "deterministic" -- those pushing for greater use need to understand this, those not happy with the "push", should educate the ignorant here (especailly managers pushing for weak, insecure and bad uses).

And every time I ask it to do the same thing, it produces basically the same result. It will sometimes not produce a go.mod, but that's probably because doing so isn't as statically high as writing the code to sum numbers from stdin.

So going back to the understanding of how it generated this, is quite simply the most statistically relevant search space of it's weights it has been trianed on and it has basically just produced a series of tokens, one after another that are relevant to the input, the next token and so on. It's a trivial example I know, but it basically pattern matches it's way through it's vast search space just producing outputs based on context.

Which it does so in seconds, faster than I can type. The code is correct, it compiles and does exactly what I wanted. And the code looks pretty reasonable. It handles flotas, has error handling and handles space or line separated numbers on stdin.

@movq I think your points are pretty clear to me, that's fine. I'm just seeing if you can perhaps see things a different way maybe?🤔 I would challenge the assertion that you cannot understand how Claude Code generated an output; which I can demonstrate easily with a fairly trivial example by the input:

Write a program in Go that sums a list of numbers from stdin and prints the result.

Most of the time, I take a very very long time to do anything. If I say, for example, "I'll build an IRC Web Client", that may not happen for weeks, if not months, until my sub conscience has has time to process everything. It's like basically a "feeling" of internal readiness. I never talk through it, never actively think about it, it just happens.

You can basically think of this as pattern-matching. I'm very very good at very fast pattern matching and piecing pices of a puzzle together very quickly, sometimes with very little to go on, it's often gotten me into a lot of trouble at work in my career because I can make a lot of assumptions very very quickly.

@bender So yeah, no, I do not have an inner monologue at all. Most of the time my inner mind is busy just replaying music or visuals (or at least it used to before I lost my sight, these days it just replays visuals and sounds), but there is never a time when I "talk to myself", ever, I don't ever think through something, a problem or an activity and have self-arguments. I just do.

@bender Fine, Let me answer properly and concretely 😅

Would you want your children not to learn anything, because “they have AI”?

No, children still need to learn. That will never change. What they learn however will over time.

Are you OK with your children using the AI for all of their homework?

Yes, frankly I am. Why? Because much of what we teach them in school is utterly pointless. For example, learning to read Shakespear never taught me anything useful in my life. I regret much of my school years to be honest. I leanred to read and write, sure. But I learned Math, Science, Computing and how things work on my own by being very curious.

What sense will it make?

That assumes I answered "no", which I did not. So it all makes perfect sense :D

What kind of future would that bring for them?

This assumes I said "Yes", which I did :D It will be an itneresting future that's for sure. I don't think we can just bury our heads in teh sand and pretend it's all going to go away, It will not. It will make things very interesting for sure, as we're already starting to see what's possible and what's changeing. For example; ordinary people are using these LLM(s) to write their legal suit and defense in courts with varying levels of success.

Even if AI were to become omniscient, what will it be of the human race then?

I'm not convinced it ever will. In fact, I am not convinced we know how to create true intellience at all.

What would we do?

What would be so different from say an Alien invasion from far superious beings? What would we do that? Band together and defend humanity?

Serve the AI? Maintain the AI?

That assumes that "AI" will become intelligent and omniscient, which I don't believe it ever will.

Would we have found the true meaning of life then?

If the meaning of life is to create our own sub-species liken to ourselves, sure, maybe. But is that even a reality? not sure, I doubt it. We barely understand ourselves at the best of times, let alone how our minds works.

To care for AI, Is that it?

How would this be different to caring for a friend, a family member If we could ever truly reate an actual sentient being with real feelings and intelligenace, is there any reason to worry? Could we not be freinds and have mutual goals and form relationships?

@bender Well no. Some of us don't. Let me point you at some research on the subject 😅 Some people don't have an inner monologue

@bender Now that's an interesting philosophical viewpoint right there. But this assumes that the "AI" we seemingly have available to us today is actually telligent, understands and has cognitive reasoning. It does not. All of these LLM models from big-tech companies like Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, Microsoft, Meta and Alibaba are all just very powerful, very large multidimensional neural networks with attention that are very good at statistical probabilities of 'what comes next". I think we get really upset over the wrong things sometimes. We need to continue to be upset that these 🤬 companies have basically destroyed any meaningful value of the concept of Copyright and Intellectual Property and Works of art. The so-called "AI" we have today is just a tool. Can you say for certain that the typewriter and the computer ruined our ability to write? Perhaps yes, but we still learn how to do so, likewise, I still think that learning to write code, research, read and write are all valuable skills to learn. Later on once you have the basics, you can defer some of the "tedious" work to these models, because frankly, they're far better at inferencing and pattern matching than you or i will ever be, not because they're better at pattern-matching per se, but because they have been trained on a very large corpus and they are much much faster at doing the same basic things we are far superior at.

@bender Nope. Trust me I do not. The only time I do is when I'm reading/writing. I otherwise have no inner monologue when doing anything.

@arne This is interesting. Sorry I missed this, I just found this post of yours and wanted to contribute 😅 Here's something interesting about me... I don't ever talk to myself, like ever. I have no, what they call, "inner monologue". Maybe I'm odd, but my wife asked me this very same question a while back and I said the same, there is never anything in my head except ideas, visuals or sounds, sometimes all at once, but never an inner monologue of "talking to myself".

Is it the fact that "big tech" companies have basically stolen all of human knowledge to their benefit to build these AI(s) that's the problem? Or is it that these AI(s) can write code better than you can (some of the time)? Or is it that because of all of the above, there's no joy left in writing code anymore? 🤔

@movq I'm very curious...

What I like about this whole computer stuff is that you can explore how things work. You can dig through problems and solve them. Nothing is more satisfying than finally understanding something after you scratched your head for some hours.

Surely you could do the same with AI? Tinker with how it works, study it, understand it, build your own and realize what it really is (without all the big tech hype)?

@bender I have no idea. Probably busy with life ya'know 😅 I'm just as guilty myself.

@bender If you break it, I will fix it 😅

@bender I have no time for simple pleasures anymore 😳

@movq Are you able to set a level of standards and expectations in the repo you are the maintainer of? 🤔

@movq What are you going to do about this? 🧐

@itsericwoodward LOl 🤣

@itsericwoodward Very nice 👍

@kiwu Whoohoo! Congrats!!! 🙌

@movq are you sure it's the browser is getting slow or is it website developers adding more more crap to their sites?

@tftp Hello 👋

@movq Very cool! reminds me of MS-DOS and Norton Commander back in the ye 'ol days 😅

@kiwu Doing well thank you! 🙏 Playing the Brisbane Open this weekend, Table Tennis 🏓

@bender Yes, but my description is more accurate 🤣

@bender I believe it's been money well spent if I'm to be honest. It's a great "get away" and "adventure" for not just myself but the family too. Getting away from it all, experiencing nature and what this wonderful country has to offer is pretty nice 👍 As long as we keep up the adventures over the long time, use it several times a year, it will be very well wroth the investment 👌

@bender Natural Brisge lol 🤣

@movq here here 🙌

@klaxzy yarnd/*

@lyse Very cool! 😎 Love that little birdy in the video too 👌

@bender Well I'm open to ideas of course 😅 My goal here was to build something like a Civ-1 inspired game that's playable online and multiplayer. Do you remember this old bad boy that was played on PC(s) on MS-DOS ?! 😅

@bender Anything I can do to help with getting started with the game? Help page not enougH/ Some “Getting Started” guide? Walk-through? 🤔

@bender Yeah !

Maybe put a notice when on mobile stating that the game is for desktop, or bigger screens (tablets), only?

I'll do this for sure!

@kiwu Working on my game Frontier Crown -- Going to push a new version today hopefully that includes much improved graphics, expanded ruleset and scope.

@klaxzy Check https://twtxt.dev/clients.html

@bender Yeah I donate to the Signal Foundation for this reason.

@bender Nah, i'm gonna start a blog for our adventure i think instead 😅

@lyse I'm afraid my ability to share photos like you do aren't quite up to scratch 😅

Hmmm doesn't appear to be documented 🧐 Nut ly watch reckons i climbed 242m so yhay part is right!

@lyse I don't axtually k ow what the incline was we went up! Haha 😅 Honestly just guessing hmm must be documented somewhere 🧐

that last one is what we walked up I reckon probably a 30 or 40° incline at least 250 m straight up!

@lyse Thanks! Hers a few more!

Merged 👌

@movq Yeah well I've put in an order for a much better quality Ocarina 😅 The one I originally started with was a bit on the "cheap" side. It's been okay, but the high notes are a bit "meh" (airy).

@bender 🤣

@bender Haha 🤣 Not sure where I'll find such a costume from, but I'll ask my girls 🧒

@kiwu That's not bad 👌

@itsericwoodward Nice one 👌

@lyse Thanks! 🙌

@rdlmda https://twtxt.dev/clients.html

@rdlmda Yeah the "web" is pretty broken™ right? 😅

@lyse Yes 🙌

yhe sourde code is available so you can inspect it 😅

@movq This is how my SSH proxy setup works.

@falsifian Congrats! 🥳

Hmm I think it's a bug in the Javascript. It's meant to be ![title](url)

Does that work?

today's mood

I turned off indexing and anonymous access i think? 🧐

@bender Lets bend it!

@rdlmda I never saw the point of a registry to be honest, as it defeated the point of what I believed to be a truly decentralised non-social social ecosystem. What can and does work however is a search engine and crawler. I used to run one, but I took it down, mostly because it got expensive to operate, at least the implementation I built... Maybe one day i'll try again with a SQLite backend.

What @bender said ☝️

@rdlmda We see and read yout mutterings just fine 😅

@rdlmda I mean, if you're talking about a "Follow me" button you can put on your site somewhere and it somehow magically™ works, yeah we haven't figured out a good way to do this honestly.

@rdlmda Exactly! 👍

@rdlmda

Replies aren’t actually broken, I just… need to add myself to the follow list?! That’s quite counter-intuitive and (IIRC) not mentioned in the docs. But… It seems to be working now, which is nice (I still don’t know how webmentions and webfinger works, so can’t speak about this so far)

yarnd (what runs here at twtxt.net) actually does this automatically by default. I think it's just an implementation detail to be honest. There's nothing about this in the specs over at https://twtxt.dev

@rdlmda Haha 😆 I mean I try to, as time poor as I am 🤣 Welcome to our little corner of the Yarniverse as some call it 😅

@movq I know it's crazy right 🤯 these things are just tools. They're not even remotely intelligent at all. In fact they are actually quite stupid. If you feed it garbage you get garbage out! The only interesting thing is that you get somewhat intelligible garbage out 😂

@bender exactly! 😂

@movq Oh dear god have we lost our way 🤣 I mean seriously?! Can we no longer think for ourselves? This isn't even "AI Slop" this is just poor pathetic lack of discipline 🤦‍♂️ -- And, frankly, no leadership.

wow! 🤯

@kiwu @bender Thank you! 🙏

@lyse That's the plan!

@bender 😅

@bender Indeed 😂

@rdlmda You need to use the RFC3339 format. I would recommend you read the specs at https://twtxt.dev -- This is what is used by many moden clients these days 😅

@rdlmda But I am gad you at least have figured out how to have a feed description and avatar, that's always nice 👍

@rdlmda You also minimally need to be calculate message hases at some point, if you want to form threads that is (copying existing ones is easy) 😅

@bender That's not what tehy really want at all 🤣

@rdlmda Hello there 👋

@bender I see. Well that's not how I think of the term "Isomorphic" 🤣 I keep thinking about graphics and isomorphic games 😅

@kiwu Lately... A native mobile app for Salty.im 😅

@itsericwoodward Hey 👋

What does:

isomorphic TypeScript library

mean exactly? Hmm 🧐

@bender Here is a properly formatted version of your message:

Not yet — but that’s probably a good idea.

Instructions:

1. Clone the repository

git clone https://git.mills.io/saltyim/saltyim.git
cd saltyim

2. Check out the v2 branch

git checkout v2

3. Build and install the CLI/TUI

make DESTDIR=$HOME/bin install

After installation, run:

salty-chat

@aelaraji But of course 😅

@lyse Oh! 🤔 Did you link the wrong video or something? 🤔

@thecanine Love the classic canine 🤩

@lyse I just watched this. And whilst it's very good and insightful, good history of MySQL and how Martin helped built a good solid Open Source + Commercial model, I'm not seeing the "why people don’t wanna work at your company" bit? What am I missing? 🤔 In any case, he does talk to great length on the importance of Culture and the insane notion of "centrlaised office working", which I 100% agree with.

@bender Aye aye capt'n 😅

@bender Whwn do i see you start to use Salty IM more? 😅

Some pretty pics to illustrate the much improved reference Salty.im client, salty-chat.

@movq Good point! I'll update the site a bit more 👌

@bender Ooops fixed 😅

@kiwu Good thank you 🙏 How about you?

@movq Man I listened to aht first one, what good shit™ 💩 Haha 🤣 Loved it! 😍

@bender That's the plan! Once I'm happy with this v1 (and we find no other obvious bugs/issues) updating "Changes" with user-facing / human-freidnyl changes is part of the release process!

@bender Thanks for letting me know it was Mobile Safari! I just did some testing real quick and things are not working very well 🤔 I think I've introduced some regressions last night as I was putting this into prod 😅 services me right for late-night deployment 🤣 I've taken it down for now, will spend a bit more time on testing making sure things all work properly!

@movq I dunno 🤷 You should see all the things™ my wife does 🤣 I guess we're both the same, we just do it 😅

Has a bit of a long history story behind this, where last year at work we were reading this book called Engineering a Safer World and initially came across a service called Speech Reply that allowed me to upload a PDF copy of the book and start to read it, but unfortunately, the free trial right now before I can finish reading it turns out that Speech Reply service cost a whopping US$30 a month and expected me to pay a full year upfront, which was well over US$300 just for one fucking book! So I sent their sales and support staff a message kindly asking if it were possible to just pay for the audio transcription of just a single book or to change to a monthly subscription fee, to which they refused, so basically in the end I got very angry and told them to go fuck themselves and built my own service. A year later here we are :-)

@bender discounts for friends/family apply 😅

@shinyoukai 🙋 sometimes 🤣

@bender Bahahaha sorry 🤣

@kiwu No embedding works! I'll have a look at what you did here 👌

@bender Only missing roots would trigger that kind of sync IIRC. And that only works if another peering pod has the root twt. What you're remembering, possibly, is an attempt to do what you were thinking of... But I tried it, turned out to be too expensive of an operation to do auotmatically.

@bender Fixed 🤣 Nobody was following that feed 😅 yarnd had no reason to "pull" it in.

@klaxzy really?! 🤔 That's hilseriosu 🤣

@movq I barely noticed 😅

@movq What worked? 😆

@movq Right 😅

@lyse Thanks!

I'm kind of curious to know how much Assembly I need vs. How much of a microkernel can I build purely in Mu (µ)? 🤔

I've only got a handful of syscalls working right now. Taking inspiration from the calling convention of the Linux kernel and even made the service/interrupt handler int 0x80h 🤣 I've only got read, write, alloc and exit working righ tnow 🥲

@movq Yes!

Did you do the whole dance with BIOS boot and everything?

Yup! Fark'n LBA shit and all, loading up the GDT, TSS and switching to x86_64 long mode 🤣

Whohoo! 🥳 You have no idea how great a feeling this is! This includes the Mu stdlib and runtime as well, not just some simple stupid program, this means a significant portion of the runtime and stdlib "just works"™ 🤣

@kiwu Always stay positive! 🙏

@movq Anything we can do? Lend a listening ear? 👂

@movq What's up? hmm 🧐

@kiwu Oh? 🤔 What's up? Can you share? Or just having a hrd time? 🤗

@movq Welcome to the dark side 🤣

@movq I don't think he is 🤔

@shinyoukai Whoohoo! That's a start to cross-platform support 🤣

Patch applied!

@shinyoukai No email has arrived here? 🤔

@shinyoukai Okay I pushed a commit that hopefully fixes this. I hope!

@shinyoukai Yes; however the interpreter is also platform dependent and relies on making raw syscalls. This is so the runtime semantics remain the same between the two execution modes.

I'll see if I can add support for linux/amd64 and netbsd/amd64 for the VM at least.

@shinyoukai if you don't show me the actual full stacktrace, I can't fix the problem 😢

Most of it should work on other platforms, the bytecode VM that is. You may run into some platform quirks though that rely on syscall() -- Let me know what you run into and I'll try to fix them nw. The problem right now is I haven't even begun to start work on another platform/architecture yet.

It's gone. 👋

@shinyoukai

Work kills the soul

it sure can! 🤣

Make it so number one !

@movq What's Email?! 😂

@movq I quite like this part:

Many people write programs, but few stick with a program long enough to distill it.

@bender No, I had my break/holiday earlier. I chose to work through, except the public holidays of course.

@movq Ahh nice! It's been several decades since I've played that! Probably 3 actually come to think of it 🤣

@movq what game is that?

I basically worked through the Christmas break last year. I already had my holidays in Vietnam a few weeks earlier. 😆

@movq 🤣

@movq Very cool! 😎

@shinyoukai Oh no, fuck that 🤣 That's why I built an FFI so I can call C-functions via shared libraries 🤣

@movq Looks kind of nice 😊

@movq What I wish for once on this miserable planet is for coporations one day ohave a different set of reasons to exist and thrive other than:

but since the only goal of that manufacturer is to make money, they do it

Life becomes very boring and uninteresting when your only goal in life is to "make more fucking money" 💰 Fuck 🤬 Fuck this Corporatocracy we live in 🤦‍♂️

@eldersnake da fuq?! 🤯

@shinyoukai I can't believe Trace and Edgewall Software is still around and in use 🤣

@lyse It's actually not nearly as half bad as I really thought it would be. Just having to eventually deal with the "lowering down" to machine code / ARM64 assembly in the end once you've verified the semantics in the VM.

@lyse A "Hello World" binary is ~372KB in size. I currently have peephole optimization and deac code optimizations in play, and a few other performance related ones, but nothing too fancy. I have a test case that ensures fib(35) doesn't regress too badly as I continue to evolve the language.

@shinyoukai Happy New Year to you too! 🥳

@movq This is fuck'n great shit™ Where did you find this? 🤔 Got any more shit™ like this? 🙏

@dce Happy New Year to you too! 🥳

@ionores Very nice! 😊 Happy New Year to you too!

@movq Mu (µ)'s startup latency appears to be ~10ms on my machine:

$ time ./bin/mu ./foo.mu 

real    0m0.011s
user    0m0.004s
sys     0m0.006s

@movq Is this on yout little toy OS? 🤔

@lyse I can tell you this right now, writing assembly / machine code is fucking hard work™ 😓 I'm sure @movq can affirm 🤣 And when it all goes to shit™ (which it does often), man is debugging fucking hard as hell! Without debug symbols I can't use the regular tools like lldb or gdb 😂

@lyse Yeah I remember you said some days back that your interest in compilers was rekindled by my work on mu (µ) 😅

@lyse True !

@zvava The problem you now then is you lose integrity of the message content if you compute the hashes at runtime rather than on the way in. So if your message content or database becomes corrupt in any way, so do your hashes.

@shinyoukai Very cool! 😎

@shinyoukai Nice! 👍

@movq Thanks! 🙏

@shinyoukai Nah it's more like there's a lot of repeated code, because when you go from source language to intermediate representation to machine code, well you just end up writing a lot of the same patterns over and over again. I need to dedupe this I think.

@kiwu Ooof 😢 That's rough!

The compiler technique I'm using here is to not "emit" most of the runtime if it's actually never used in your program, and also dropping dead code in the SSA pass.

@movq I've managed to bring a simple "Hello World!" in mu (µ) (at least on macOS / Darwin / ARM64) down to ~86KB (previously ~146KB) 🥳

@movq I think I can get binaries even smaller with a bit more work and effort 🤔 But yeah still working on the native code generation (at least for macOS targets)

@movq Oh that's fine, Mu can compile to native code and so far binaries. at least on macOS are in the order of Kb in size 😂

@movq It'd be cool if you could get µ (Mu) running in your little toyOS 🤣 You'd technically only have to swap out the syscall() builtin for whatever your toy OS supports 🤔

@thecanine I see 🤔 Very cool though! 😎

@movq I watched a few of these thanks to you! Very cool shit™ 😎

@movq Ooof that's chilly 🥶

@dce merry Christmas to you too!

@thecanine Is it because you've used white pixels around it to sort of give it aht 3D look? 👀 Hmm? 🤔

@bender It's fun living in the future isn't it 🤣

@movq From 2:50 PM to 3:23 PM AEST (+10 UTC) there was an outage. Everything went "up" on Down Detector, my EU region went offline, numerous sites were unavailable, and so on. Basically everything to/from the EU appeared to basically go kaput.

@movq @kiwu it just so happens to be a happy coincidence that I'm extending mu's capabilities to now include a native toolchain-free compiler (doesn't rely on any external gcc/clang or linkers, etc) that lowers the mu source code into an intermediate representation / IR (what @movq refers to as "thick layers of abstractions"...) and finally to SSA + ARM64 + Mach-O encoder to produce native binary executables (at least for me on my Mac, Linux may some later?) 🤣

@movq Pretty sure all my mu solutions are very slow, but not so slow as I optimized most of the implementations to avoid as much brute forcing as I could.

@movq This is the total amount of cpu time consumed right?

@movq Hmmm 🧐

@kiwu evening!!!

@movq Haha 😆

@movq I shrank Day 9 Part 2 from “cover the whole map” to “only track the interesting lines.” By compressing coordinates to just the unique x/y breakpoints, the grid got tiny. I still flood-fill and do the corner-pair checks, but now on that compact grid with weighted prefix sums for instant rectangle checks. Result: far less RAM, way less CPU, same correct answer.

@shinyoukai Good 😊

@shinyoukai Funny you should say that, I designed a new Prolog(ish) Symbolic Reasoning Engine and DSl over the holidays 🤣

Let's see 😂

That's the right answer! You are one gold star closer to decorating the North Pole. [Continue to Part Two]

Whoo! Making progress! With AoC 2025 solutions implemented in my own toy language 🤣

Ahh that's because I forgot to call main() at the end of the source file. mu is a bit of a dynamic programming language, mix of Go(ish) and Python(ish).

$ ./bin/mu examples/aoc2025/day1.mu 
Execution failed: undefined variable readline

@bender agreed

@aelaraji probably a bug on my end with the bridge. I'll figure it out with your help when I get home from my holidays.

@bender that's kind of what I was getting it initially yeah

@movq this is brilliant!

@movq @zvava I think people get sick of everything changing all the time and so don't bother adopting things to change when things are already good enough 🤷

Ba Na Hills and it's basically clouds at this point 🤣

@movq I think WebP being new just hasn't seen widespread adoption everywhere (yet) 🧐

i'm always open to suggestions: PRs also welxome 🤣

@bender

@bender No no we did!!! Just the photos are rubbish 😂

@movq Ahh you are a brilliant man 🙌

@movq BahahahGG 🤣🤣🤣

@klaxzy do you know what I also find equally just as stupid and dumb is having to upgrade the software license on something just to be able to get OIDC or OAuth support ffs 🤦‍♂️

can somebody please transcribe what he said and post it here? 🙏 I think it's too good just to waste in a video it needs to be preserved. 🤣

Need to fix:

• threads -media and links

@bender i'm just pointing out that it's one of those fundamental RS 232 standards that will never die 🤣

@movq I think even modern PC still come with serial ports they just don't wire them up anymore right? They're still there in the board itself, though just unwired.

This is an example of the kind of garbage release notes from this conventional commit autogenerated crap 🤣

This ☝️ I proxy my SSH traffic and it requires a valid account check to occur.

@lyse I couldn't agree more! I think good commit messages are very useful, however, and I'd much prefer the conventional mood style for Commit messages, but rather prefer telling a story rather than this weird syntax all over the shop!

@movq Haha 🤣

Confirmed it's called Tao Tao 🤣

@itsericwoodward Aren't yhere onlu 12 puzzles this year? 🧐

@movq What about a drop bear? 🧐🤣😆

@shinyoukai Are you using your Gitea username instead of got@ ? Are you forwarding auth?

@bender are you able to send me a video recording of how that sounds because I don't think that that's what they called it at the breakfast? 🤣

@movq well I've got several minutes of at least three people's attention now didn't it? 🤣

@bender actually I think it's a little more nuance than that because for example with salty chat, we have support for DNS based delegation via SRV records and your identity is associated with your Apex Dom name and of course the keys.

I actually don't understand why Federation and activity pub is so goddamn hard to migrate from one instance to another 🧐

@bender Same. I think i might have played with it at some point!

@bender ha ha it started the V something and I don't understand how to reproduce Vietnamese name 🤣

@shinyoukai what app is that?

@aelaraji does that mean your identity gets associated with your Apex domain or your sub domain?

it's not an apple and it's not a guava

@bender LOL 🤣

@shinyoukai Yes! 🙌

@shinyoukai that has to be one of my stupid designs of activity pub 😆

@movq Yup did yjay some weeks ago 👌

@aelaraji I like the sounds of this technique a lot redirecting these AI crawling assholes to multi gigabyte files! The only concern I have is how do you do it in such a way that you don't end up destroying your own ISP speed test servers?

@itsericwoodward So you're found for Javascript eh? 🧐

@bender Would you like me to say moar words ? 🤣

@shinyoukai carrying an MQTT broker isn't exactly very simple though 😆

@kiwu I'd recommend the one i linked you to a 2nd hand Sony 👌

Before smartphones people used to use the Sony Camcorders, but even though they still exist today, they're uber expensive 😂

@kiwu Only thing i can find that meets your requirements is the ORDRO HDV-V12 HD 1080P Video Camera Recorder Is 80m of video rexorsinimg enough for you?

@bender Haha 🤣 I need a good break after this insane year 😂

@movq Not for another two weeks i'm afraid 🤣

I actually can't progress to day two till I get home 🤣 -- I haven't pushed the code for the mu compiler yet 🤦‍♂️ So no-one can check my work even if they were so kind 🤣

@bender Amen and al ha 😂🤣

@bender Haha 😂 It was such good beer 👌

For those visiting Hanoi in the Old Quarters that are beer snobs like me; highly recommend this place called Local Craft Beer 🤩

completely untested as i have no remote way of running mu code from Vietnam 🤣

The most interesting part about mu is that the language is actually self-hosted and written in itself. There is a stage zero compound written and go on a stage one compiler written in mu

@bender You are so right 🤣

@bender No, but if there's a problem i want to know about it so i can address it 😆

@shinyoukai Hmmm? 🧐

@thecanine At least it's all chromium 🤣

@movq Lots of things stop me 🤣 crappy wifi, no international roaming, no remote access (by design) just to name a few 😆

@movq Oh damn ! I'm on holidays in Ciwtnam 🤣 I'll be late to the party !

@shinyoukai What do you mean by that? 🧐 Clients don't care about the order of twts in a feed. For display clients usually sort by timestamp.

@bender Yeah. something i'm trying to avoid in this 2nd attempt 🤞

there's also a constant veil of what I believe to be cold dust in the air and smog 😢

@shinyoukai That's the one 😆

@shinyoukai Very nice! 👌

That's going to be most of our holidays next year 🤣 Mostly because we bought a van to go "glamping" about the country 😆

@movq Ahh i see!

It's only been really @manton that's new on yhe disxover cure? 🧐 And only because i'm following him (only person whose Fediverse handle i could remember 🤣)

Even on piss poor in-flight Wi-Fi it works pretty well 👌

@movq You don't go on holidays anywhere? 🧐

@klaxzy Too true!

@bender What's happened for you here? 🧐

@movq All good! 👌 Likely bug on my end (bridge)

The token isn't secret in anyway, just proving that you control / own the feed.

@shinyoukai Yea or as a comment in your feed somewhere

Seems i can't add you to the bridge hmmm

@movq So that's movq@tilde.zone ? I'll first have to put it into the bridge...

Maybe someone else can help with more testing? 🧐

@therealprologic Sweet! Mentions are fixed! 👌 Now just have to fix threading!

@therealprologic Okay so the mention translation is. busted and umm the threading is busted. But other than that, so far so good 😊

Oh my god! 🤣 It works! 🥳 My first Twt into the Fediverse (stil some improvements to be made of course), but still 😳 Wow! 🤩

@shinyoukai I don't even know how to fix that 🤣 Do you? 🤔

@aelaraji It's definately been a long and fast year that's for sure 👍 Don't worry!

Ahh sorry about that! It's public now!

@aelaraji I think I'll just end up using the Official CrowdSec Go library 🤔

@aelaraji Good luck! 🤞

@shinyoukai If you're after a list of bad ASN(s) I have such a list handy here 😂

@aelaraji Ahhh! That would be even funnier and even more brilliant! 🤣 If you can find this, I would happily employ this tactic next time and make 'em pay 💰 Bahahahaha 🤣

@shinyoukai You would have to pull main and build from source 🤣 I promise I'll make a new major release soon™ -- Only been promising that for a while now, but it will happen this year 🤣

@aelaraji Yeah and I think I can basically pull the crowssec rules every N interval right and use this to make blocking decisions? -- I've actually considered this part of a completely new WAF design that I just haven't built yet (just designing it).

@bender That's not the problem. The problem is the complex DNS setup and delegation. I've gotten it working once before, but it's not that easy if you don't intend to run it on the APEX Domain.

@shinyoukai Yes 👍

@movq sorry dude I think we're getting our language confused. I think I actually meant private Internet connections.

@bender Maybe so. But running Mastodon or GotoSocial is actually not as easy as you'd think 😂

@movq If by that you mean ISP(s)? No. so far most are hosting providers by the looks? 🧐

@aelaraji Ahh that would be awesome!!! I'd also somehow need read access to logs so i can figure shit out on my own 🧐

@aelaraji Haha! 😂 Welcome back 🙌

@aelaraji Tell me more? How does this work?

@bender Just a donations thiny I knew about from years ago that I never setup properly. Now an acceptable form of donation on my prologic.dev site 👌 (if anyone ever does that is!)

@shinyoukai Haha 🤣 Nice typo there!

@shinyoukai I'm mostly against it because it forces Javascript™ on the client(s) at a blanket level. Doing "Proof-of-Work" explicitly IMO is fine™, but not at an Ingress/Edge level IMO -- Which is why I haven't adopted it myself.

@movq @bender I'll also start spamming from my upcoming Vietnam holiday (flying out this Friday) for a couple of soliday weeks 🤣

@movq Seems fine to me! Plenty of time to get our shit™ in order! 🙌

@shinyoukai Welcome back! 🤟 You have been missed! 😅

@shinyoukai Welcome back 🤟

Obviously yarnd 🙋‍♂️

This is what this looked like visually 😳

At this point I'm considering starting a class action lawsuit for all the self-hostess and little-web folks that want to host a small thing or two and sue these fucking inconsiderate fucking corporate giants, hopefully win, and make them respect others on the web.

@bender Don't even think that was on the cards I'm afraid 😳 But yes I've said that in a message to the recruiter.

@kiwu I'm glad you're liking the updates haha 😆

@lyse @bender Pfft, they want folks to relocate to Sydney. Fuck that 🤣 Sydney is a bit like San Francisco, I'm not actually sure which is worse. Fuck'n expensive as hell, the only palce you'd be able to afford to buy or rent is at least ~2hrs out of the city by public transport (i.e: train) and by that time you've just pissed your life down the toilet, because you'd be expected ot work a 9-10hr day + 2-3hrs of travel each way, buy the time you factor in having to wake up super early to get ready to travel in to work, you basically have zero time for anything else, let alone your ufamily,

Fuck that.

@bender Haha 🤣 Spoken like someone that's done this before 😅

@arne @lukas In fact, Yarn.social's yarnd client implementation actually uses (or did, still kinda does today) PicoCSS 🤟 It was/is a good CSS library! 👍

@thecanine Comgrats! 🙌

@kiwu Oh! you like? 👍 Haha 😆

@lyse LOL 😂

@bender LOL 😂

@bender The "t" 🤣

@quark It's very nice mate 😅 I didn't know you were this good at CSS 🤣

@bender That's actually kind of what I was going for, just with a stylized "t" and some blue/purple/red shades 🤣

It is very nice look'n 🤟

What I wanna know at this point @bender is this; What is this "Notes" thing. Is it just a uugo static site you maintain or something else? 🤔 Did you write all the CSS yourself? 😅

@lyse @bender that's also what Yarn.social's logo is, and just happens to be the yarnd default. Hmmm figured times for a change? 🤔

You no Mikey like? 🧐

@bender I don't think so ? 🧐😂🤦‍♂️

Sorry better verison

@therealprologic It works! 🤣 Now I'm quite sure we haven't got threads working yet 🤔

@movq unison seems pretty fast for me, and quite nice looking on my macOS desktop. It's bsed on GLFW, but it seems to work quite well 🤔

@bender Haha 😆

GtS is easier than running Yarn, by the way. Word

This is total bullshit 🤣

@bender It's good enough ti iron out any bugs 🐛 Can I haz an account? 🙏

This is crazy 🤪

LOL it works 🤣

@bender Not even a GotoSocial server? 🤔

@bender You don't run one anymore do you? 🤔

@bender Bit big of a server no? 🤔

Someone, on the Bridge, this is meant to have sent @manton a "Follow Request" via Activity Pub hmmm 🧐

@bender I need another side that I can unblame 🤣

I think because it still inserted the wrong alias in my following list:

# follow = manton@bridge.twtxt.net https://bridge.twtxt.net/twtxt/remote/d428c49928a4a0d1.txt

I'm not currently sure why this is tab-completing incorrectly hmmm 🧐

Wow :O That didn't work!

I need some test Activity Pub / Mastodon users to test with 🤔

And this isn't even me, it's the other end 🤣

Haha 🤣 I wonder what the reliability of executing a sleep in a 200 billion year loop cycle is? 🤔

technically I can put the Bridge verificaiton code in my feed's metadata so no-one really ever sees or notices it 🤔 Maybe I'll add a first-class button/field thingy in yarnd so users can "register their feed" straight from their pod? 🤔

@bender Twtxt <-> ActivityPub (2nd time's the charm? 🤣)

Reacher out to Mike on BlueSky.

@bender Just wrote better code with tests 🤣

Fixed

I spent a few mins on teh tilde website, and for the life of me I can't find a way to contact anyone responsible/accountable for this wonderful little service 🤣

Is it worth me reaching out to the operator and helping build some solution for their userbase to detect followers? 🧐

I have now permitted the following media types:

image/*
audio/*
video/*
text/*

Done ✅ Will be available on this pod as soon as the publish workflow finished successfully.

@bender yeah it wasn't so much of a browser thing, more of a security/abuse thing. If you upload large media, we downsize/downscale it, etc.

@bender The only problem with uploading is the procesing. Do you expect any server-side processing of the WebP or just store and host?

@bender That we can do easily. Just supporting tendering .webp inline eight? 🧐

This ☝️

Shall we call it a good DR exercise? 🤔 😅

@bender Haha 🤣

@movq Yeah ! 👍 I'm trying to build my first micro-SaaS and get more lay-people to protect their own inboxes and identify 🤣 -- Hopefully it all works out 💪

@eldersnake I'll make a release this weekend (today)

Also welcome back 😆

@eldersnake What version are you running btw? It's probably time you upgraded and time I released a new version finally 😂 If you're running a version that's pre-SQLite-cache, then yeah I'm not surprised. The SQLite cache version is honestly much better 🤣

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I'm going to bed, but I'll have a closer read/think tomorrow 🤞

@movq It's formatted just fine 🤟

@bender We could -- It's just never became "strong enough"™ of a demand that I ever extended the possibility of supporting other mime types.

@bender Same I only have one registrar too (OnlyDomains).

@bender It's not even available on my registrar anyway 🤣

@bender Makes me wonder whether somethingarather.zip is a good primary domain for the service I'm building? 🤔

@bender I think that's where it sends the capture verification requests. It's based on PoW, so it has to perform validation somehow. It actually looks pretty decent as far as a way to prevent spam/abuse of forms on the open web (e.g: Waitlist on SnipMail).

You do raise very good points though, but I don't think any of this is particularly new because there are many other examples of technology and evolution of change over time where people have forgotten certain skills like for example, changing a car tyre

@movq I am genuinely curious as to why you think Geminis summarization and the categorization of your gopher post was and is as you say misunderstood?

I asked this very genuinely because before reading @bender's comments and Gemini summarization I actually went and unplugged your post into flood gaps go for proxy, and then listen to the text intently with my own human ears 👂

What is this about? I don't run my Gopher proxy anymore 😅

Hmm anyone got a contact detail for Andrew? @eldersnake – The emails/contacts I have have all bounced 😭

@bender Hmm anyone got a contact detail for Andrew? @eldersnake -- The emails/contacts I have have all bounced 😭

@aelaraji I'll poke @eldersnake

Ping me if you're intersted!

@movq What did you say? 🤔

@kiwu I wouldn't go that far haha 🤣 I'm not sure I'm all that wise 😂

@kiwu really? 🧐 msn I already feel old and broken and um not even that old 🤯

@thecanine Actually pretty legible 🤟

@aelaraji Haha nice! 😊

@lyse Nice contrasts really 👌

I had a looksie (just to be sure) at the database, and they were thankfully legit test events. But this did spark/trigger me to make sure I have some form of anti-spam measures in place. So I added some per-event / per-rsvp rate-limiting and honeypot(s).

@movq That and no sane person writes Java™ anymore right? 🤣

Cool. I think I've improved this abit. Update going out shortly... Also added optional support for displaying gravatar(s) if you supply your email address (optional of course).

@lyse Also thanks mate! 🥰

In fact, it’s a great little invention

Actually. Looking at the template and the BeerCSS docs, I think I'm just using the wrong elements and doing the wrong thing in the template/partial structure itself 🤔 Probably need to wrap text in something else other than a plain 'ol <p>

@lyse To be fair, I'm not convinced of the web design / user interface decisions either. I just hacked this together over a couple of days. I'm not sold on any of the UI/UX thus far. Open to suggestions, improvements, hell even a complete CSS rewrite 🤣 UI/UX nor CSS is my strong suite 😂

@lyse Go complain to the BeerCSS 🍻 developers 🤣

@movq What about gioui?

@movq What about more modern alternatives based on GLFW?

@bender LOL 😂 Timezonea are hard 😆

@aelaraji Love it! 🤣

@lyse So you've RSVP'd then? 🤣

@bender There's a reason it's in UTC time 🤣

@bender LOl so much or building a RSPVP thinty™ ma bob 🤣

@bender It certainly doesn't here. I've even traced it's network calls. it makes none.

@movq I guess I wasn't talking about the speed of interesting text/context, but more the "slowness" of these tools. I think I can build/ solutions and fix bugs faster most of the time? Hmmm 🤔 I think the only thing it's able to do better than me is grasp large codebases and do pattern machines a bit better, mostly because we're limited by the interfaces we have to use and in my ase being vision impaired doesn't help :/

Should be rolling out soon™

@anth I've never seen my Mac do this? Hmmm 🤔

Okay I think it's working now

Hmmm nope. I think I've fucked up my network for use with self-hsoted WebRTC. This isn't a PeerCalls thing at all, this is just me.

See if that fixes it? hmmm

@lyse Ahh cool! Gatherly needs a "Maybe" for RSVP(s) :)

@bender It used to work just fine™ - I wonder if it's my WAF? Lemme turn the WAF off for this tie...

@bender I think so. Have to retest it though :)

All that's true! -- However I am very competitive (usually with myself!)

@movq I think if I was younger, with more energy, and wasn't blind with leber's disease (look it up) I'd be fine™ But yeah I get the whole "exhausting" apart. I'll join you this year, since there's only 12 puzzles and as you say, we can "take our time" it might actually be fun! (as opposed to exhausting and pressured).

@movq This is actually a good positive change I think!

Personally, I’ll probably stretch it out over 24 days. Giving myself more time to solve each puzzle and I really want this event to last the entire month. 😅

I might even do AoC this year with the elevated stress/pressure! -- The last few times I've tried, I've always felt far too much pressure and felt like a failure 😞 (mostly ya know because of my vision impairment, I couldn't keep up!)

Like these Car Manufacturers, like GWM, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW and whoever else does this stupid shit™ need to pull their heads out of their asse. :O

Obviously none of this requires an Internet connection, let alone a Network connection. All of it can be done over Bluetooth! Just like Carplay itself!

@movq Yeah, this is similar to my 2025 GWM Cannon Ute (truck) that we recently bought. It has this app called the "GWM App" that lets you view various health/stats of the vehicle, open/close the door, locks, control the A/C etc, all from your Mobile Phone. -- But... Guess what?! :D It has a goddamn fucking SIM card in the head unit (dash) somewhere that once you "consent" and agree it signs up to some god knows what local cellular service and all that wonderul functionality is controlled by, guess what... A fucking goddamn CLOUD service! da actual flying fuck is wrong with these people?! -- Are we some of the only people in the world that realize how fucking dumb all this Internet-connect shit™ really is?

@thecanine Pretry much🤣

Weird setup right? 😆

@movq Too many things˚ running on AWS eh?

@bender Sweet 🤟

Yeah technology is honestly quite garbage 🗑️

@movq Speaking of "clusterfucks". Every fucking time I try to type something on my fucking goddamn iPhone's little tiny ass on-screen keyboard it ends up typing out "I love you!" 🤟 For fucks sake 🤦‍♂️ -- Given the size of the fucking goddamn on-screen keyboards on these things and folks with limited/poor vision, can't we figure out what I meant to type instead of spitting out total garbage nonsense that I had no intention of typing that makes me just look silly and stupid?! 🤬 Ask @bender how many times this has happened on IRC whenever I've been on my phone 📱

@bender Okay 👌

@xuu Haha 🤣 I'm already have "conversations" with my junior engineers on "how to best use" and "how to avoid" 😂

@arne Yeah SSE + HTMX is basically all you need really. The whole complicated/complex JavaScript ecosystem is overkill.

@bender No I did 🤣

@bender Is dealing with spam fun though? DDoS attacks? DoS attacks? Scans for all kinds of stupid shit™? Malware? Advertising? Tracking? Spying? ..

@movq I wouldn't consider this a "dark web", no. It'd just be a new web on top of an already existing "physical" infrastructure, where the web that grew out of that is total garbage.

@movq Oh dear 😅 We're starting to see this "garbage software" too over here 👈

@bender So far so good 😊 I'll let you know how things go though!

@important_dev_news Fuxk me decision makers are fuxking stupid sometimes 🤣

The people that design these bills and laws are unhinged.

@movq Good glad to hear it 😄

@movq Where do you stand on this nonsense? 🧐😆🤣

@klaxzy Fuxk yeah 🙌

@important_dev_news Thank fuxk 🤣

@lyse Cool! 😎 You might be interested in my own learnings and toying around with building my own container engine / tooling (whatever you wanna call it) box. I had to learn a bunch of this stuff too 😅 Control Groups, Namespaces, Process Isolation, etc.

@bender See the problem is you don't live in the "busy" enough 😂 There are roaches everywhere here! 🤣 LOL snakes too! Plovers, Magpies, Crows, Spiders, even Deer for fucks sake 😂

@bender We have quite a few that are basically part of our friendly neighborhood. They knew we won't chase them aware, scare them, etc. In fact some of us find little cockroaches to feed them, tose 'em up in the air and watch them sweep in and grab the little suckers 🤣

@bender Dunno 🤷

@lyse Here's my magpie 🤣

This ☝️

@movq damn! those are some fine looking chickens 😆

@zvava feeds are fetched at least every 5m (if they've changed)

@lyse Bahahahaha 🤣😆

@movq Same 👌

@itsericwoodward Cool! 😎

@bender Yes! What you're seeing in the demo is just demoing the routes file and redirects, etc/. Pathing more.

@movq Yeah I was gonna say 😅 The problem isn't that bad 🤣 But still we should fix this soon™ 🔜

@movq You were seeing that mayn hash collisions for you to notice this? 😱

@bender I've made several improvements today, tightened up the line height and density of the text plus a few other nice things too! I think I'm ready to start migrating my blog over to this 😅

@bender I agree ! I reckon the line height could be a bit smaller 👌

@lyse Very cool! 😎

@movq Is this for your own OS? 🤔

@bender Shh yes 🤣 this is the problem with politics 😆 by that definition; I'm not conservative 🤣

@bender Yes but I guess what I'm saying is; "so what about it?" Aren't most places in the world these days "multicultural" to some degree or another? 🤔

@bender Well see that's just what the freak'n tests say about me haha 🤣

immigration and multiculturalism

What about it? I grew up in a multicultural country.

@movq I'm glad it make sense for you 😅 I will never understand it. All I know is that I'm a conservative socialist and there's a lot of "stupid shit"™ happening in the world (including my own country). I still blame extreme Capitalism.

@bender 🤣

I hope no-one here is a "nutter" 🤣

@movq See here's the thing... I just don't fucking gt this whole "left" vs. "right" shit™ anymore. None of it makes any sense whatsoever. When my wife tries to explain it to me it's completely the opposite to what you just said just now 😱 -- So from here on, I'm just going to keep things simple" nutters" and "normal" 🤣

@bender I feel you buddy 🤗 At one point we have quite a vibrant community. Phil was great, jlj too and Adi was well just Ado 😅

@bender Yup! Fixing that now! 👌 Also the Tags page and the size of the trags is intentional, as more posts are tagged with the same tag, those will result in larger size rendered tags in a kind of "tag cloud" -- At this this is the intention.

@bender Ahh yes I see what you mean. no indicate of when the post was made right? That should be ideally displayed on the page somewhere? Would you expect it in the url as well, because not having /posts/yyyy/mm/dd/.... was actually intentional. But yeah I should figure out where to put some additional metadata on the page.

@bender hopeful of the same 🤞

I will try to improve the CSS 🙏

the single posts have no date (intended?)

What do you mean by this? 🤔

@movq Kill it with fire 🔥

@alexonit Yeah I think we're overstating the UNIX principles a bit here 🤣 I get what you're trying to say though @zvava 😅 If I could go back in time and do it all over again, I would have gotten the Hash length correct and I would have used SHA-256 instead. But someone way smarter than me designed the Twt Hash spec, we adopted it and well here we are today, it works™ 😅

@alexonit Yes well I'm pretty big on self-hosting. I've even tried to start a small business/company around it (but that's another story for another day!) -- Meanwhile I would encourage you to have a look at the work we've done in Salty.im 👌

@alexonit Well we have to really use the same spec or threading doesn't really work in a truly decentralized manner 😉

@zvava I axtually latest did and I wasn't the only one 🤣

@zvava That's what I'm leaning towards yeah🤞

@zvava Haha 🤣

And I need to make something absolutely clear as well here. Twtxt was completely and utterly dead back in {Aug 2020](https://yarn.social/about.html) when I came across the spec and its simplicity and realised the lost opportunity. Since then we've continued to grow a small but thriving community. The extensions we've built over time have stood and lasted the test of time for the past ~5 years. We need not break things too badly, because what we have today and was designed years ago actually works quite well™ (despite some flaws).

Put another way, what you are proposing/pushing for requires hundreds of lines of code to change across a half dozen or so clients and lots of breaking changes, not to mention unknowns.

What I want us to do is make only a few half dozen or so lines of code changes to our clients and minimize the breaking changes and unknowns.

@zvava Going to have to hard disagree here I'm sorry. a) no-one reads the raw/plain twtxt.txt files, the only time you do is to debug something, or have a stick beak at the comments which most clients will strip out and ignore and b) I'm sorry you've completely lost me! I'm old enough to pre-date before Linux became popular, so I'm not sure what UNIX principles you think are being broken or violated by having a Twt Subject (Subject) whose contents is a cryptographic content-addressable hash of the "thing"™ you're replying to and forming a chain of other replies (a thread).

I'm sorry, but the simplest thing to do is to make the smallest number of changes to the Spec as possible and all agree on a "Magic Date" for which our clients use the modified function(s).

@bender Well honestly, this is just it. My strong position on this is quite simple:

Do the simplest thing that could work.

It's one of the age old UNIX philosphies.

Therefore, the simplest thing™ to do here is to just increase the hash length, mark a magic™ date/time as @lyse has indicated and call it a day. We'll then be fine for a few hundred years, at which point there'll be no-one left alive to give a shit™ anyway 🤣

@alexonit My problem is I don't see a world where we don't employ some form of cryptography to use as keys for threads in databases and other such things honestly. I'm not going to use url#timestamp as keys.

@bender Yes I did about a week or so ago. It took me a lot of effort to get the content even rendered in the first place. LOL I had to basically export my blog as HTML (can you believe that?!) -- The Hugo export just didn't work at all 🤣

@movq Yes it's kind of terrible 😞 -- Let's not do this 🤣

@bender Really? 🤔

This is possibly the only other threading model I can come up with for Twtxt that I think I can get behind.

Example:

Alice starts thread #42:

2025-09-25T12:00:00Z (tno:42) Launching storage design review.

Bob replies:

2025-09-25T12:05:00Z (tno:42) (ofeed:https://alice.example/twtxt.txt
) I think compaction stalls under load.

Carol replies to Bob:

2025-09-25T12:08:00Z (tno:42) (ofeed:https://alice.example/twtxt.txt
) Token bucket sounds good.

@itsericwoodward I'm glad to hear it 🤣

Of course we still have to fix the hashing algorithm and length.

I would personally rather see something like this:

2025-09-25T22:41:19+10:00

I was trying to say (badly):

That's kind of my position on this. If we are going to make significant changes in the threading model, let’s keep content based addressing, but also improve the user experience. Answering your question, yes I think we can do some combination of both.

@alexonit Holy fuck! 🤣 I just realized how bad my typing was in my reply before 🤣 🤦‍♂️ So sorry about that haha 😆 I blame the stupid iPhone on-screen keyboard ⌨️

@alexonit Yhays kind of love you!! Stance and position on this. If we are going to make chicken changes in the threading model, let's keep content based addressing, but also improve the use of experience. So in fact, in order to answer your question, I think yes, we can do some kind of combination of both.

@lyse I don't think there's any point in continuing the discussion of Location vs. Content based addressing.

I want us to preserve Content based addressing.

Let's improve the user experience and fix the hash commission problems.

Here is just a small list of things™ that I'm aware will break, some quite badly, others in minor ways:

1. Link rot & migrations: domain changes, path reshuffles, CDN/mirror use, or moving from txt → jsonfeed will orphan replies unless every reader implements perfect 301/410 history, which they won’t.
2. Duplication & forks: mirrors/relays produce multiple valid locations for the same post; readers see several “parents” and split the thread.
3. Verification & spam-resistance: content addressing lets you dedupe and verify you’re pointing at exactly the post you meant (hash matches bytes). Location anchors can be replayed or spoofed more easily unless you add signing and canonicalization.
4. Offline/cached reading: without the original URL being reachable, readers can’t resolve anchors; with hashes they can match against local caches/archives.
5. Ecosystem churn: all existing clients, archives, and tools that assume content-derived IDs need migrations, mapping layers, and fallback logic. Expect long-lived threads to fracture across implementations.

We've been discussing the idea of changing the threading model from Content-based Addressing to Location-based addressing for years now. The problem is quite complex, but I feel I have to keep reminding y'all of the potential perils of changing this and the pros/cons of each model:

With content-addressed threading, a reply points at something that’s intrinsically identified (hash of author/feed URI + timestamp + content). That ID never changes as long as the content doesn’t. Switching to location-based anchors makes the reply target extrinsic—it now depends on where the post currently lives. In a pull-based, decentralised network, locations drift. The moment they do, thread identity fragments.

@kat Mine shows 1/1 of 14 Twts 😆 I think this is a bug 🤯

@alexonit I took it down mostly because of continued abuse and spam:l. I intend to fix I and improve the drive and its sister at Summer point 🤞

@alexonit Love this 😍

@alexonit Yeah same 🤣 There's also this @news-minimalist feed that shows up the most important shit™ anyway (when/if that happens).

@bender Seriously I have zero clue 🤣 I don't read or watch any news so I have no idea 🤦‍♂️

@bender Soon soon🤣

@bender I wish 🤣 Nah work on-site thingy😆

@thecanine Id like that too, it just can't come from me, because native mobile dev just isn't my thing 😢

@zvava And yes yarnd does have a well documented API and two clients (CLI and unmaintained Flutter App)

@zvava We can do that 👌

@zvava The first version of what is now yarnd was built over a weekend 😀

@zvava Herw you go: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/twtxt.dev/pulls/28